Make an introduction section wherein a poster may create one (1) thread. This doubles as an introduction.

[Faust]

Greetings. As the title suggests I believe that creating such a section which would foster more unity and a way for new users to become acclimated to the soysphere if unaware or perhaps a way to give a little introductory speech, you could also force them to post in the introduction section before they are allowed to do so anywhere else or you may think that the entire feature in itself is redundant and useless which is also a fair opinion but I think it makes it more convenient and gives a way to easily make some friends and discuss about your interests and whatever have you.

I was procuring this forum some days ago and liked it so I decided to join, I have already used many forums in the past and am familiar on a sidenote I was banned on the sharty for my first ever post which apparently is a common thing? same thing used to happen to me on 4chan, I believe I may be cursed or it's the IP or whatever but falsebans are such that I am no stranger to, thoughts?

 

[CX2]

stop lying you brown @cx2?

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[Faust]

irrelevant, i don't like foreigners

Understandable, I don't know what you guys have going on down there.

 

[木制的尼尔森]

@尼尔森 just won the debate checkmate

bro I just woke up what do you want

 

[GarryNealson_2]

@尼尔森 just won the debate checkmate

dude I just fell asleep I know what you want

 

[Rizgar Gulan]

Bait, nobody is dummyed enough to not know what herd immunity is

europeans were aware of diseases back then and knew they were contagious, it wasn't intended, but it was known.

It's not like you can't control it without extremely strict travelling laws, all diseases spread.

Nahuas - Wikipedia (Nahuas - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nahuas))

They lost many people and aren't the same as they were now. Nowadays indigenous Mexicans make up about 1/4 of the population, based on self-identification and the inclusions of not completely indigenous people (such as cholos who are 1/4 spanish), if you didn't consider that method as legitimate then the census for the population in indigenous houses makes them make 9.36% of the population

yeah, as mentioned with the yaqui.

They were relatively near the zones of conflict, I intend distant populations as in those on the eastern coasts of South America, and their physical superiority isn't really that important when they were technologically bested and nowadays they're actually known for being shorter rather than imposing as spanish accounts say

a more recent betrayal (around the end of the aztec empire) were the totonacs being betrayed by the spanish after allying with them against the aztecs and being forced to work as indentured servants under the encomienda system. the tetzcocans were stripped of their autonomy under the spanish after also allying with them against the aztecs. the purépechan leader tangáxuan II was also betrayed by nuno de guzman in 1530 after providing thousands of soldiers to help the spanish expand. the cholula, another ally of the spanish, suffered a massacre at the hands of the spanish. francisco pizarro betrayed the emperor atahualpa by inviting him to a peaceful meeting at cajamarca, only to ambush his retinue and hold him for a massive gold ransom before executing him. the taino welcomed the spanish, only for columbus to betray them by massacring and enslaving them. even the aztecs (albeit not the traditional sense of betrayal) was deceived when alvarado massacred the aztec elites when moctezuma II was granted permission to celebrate a festival by cortes. the yaqui were betrayed with broken treaties, land dispossession, and violent attacks from the spanish, despite the yaqui being autonomous and having signed peace treaties with the spanish. betrayals from broken treates extended to the comanche, apache, various pueblos, various texan tribes such as the karankawa, who the spanish used deceptive tactics such as offering fake peace talks, holding leaders hostage, and planning to lure them into traps under the guise of trade to exterminate them in order to force the karankawa into missions.

and no, the aztecs weren't known to betray others.

I will have to see this in further detail

 

[_73]

It's not like you can't control it without extremely strict travelling laws, all diseases spread.

They lost many people and aren't the same as they were now. Nowadays indigenous Mexicans make up about 1/4 of the population, based on self-identification and the inclusions of not completely indigenous people (such as cholos who are 1/4 spanish), if you didn't consider that method as legitimate then the census for the population in indigenous houses makes them make 9.36% of the population

They were relatively near the zones of conflict, I intend distant populations as in those on the eastern coasts of South America, and their physical superiority isn't really that important when they were technologically bested and nowadays they're actually known for being shorter rather than imposing as spanish accounts say
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I will have to see this in further detail

Who gaf

 

[shekel]

It's not like you can't control it without extremely strict travelling laws, all diseases spread.

They spread less among people with herd immunity. Are you dummyed?

 

[SoytanEnthusiast]

Shit noboy care about

 

[Faust]

Shit noboy care about

This genuinely as I see what the thread has become.

 

[worldatwar]

It's not like you can't control it without extremely strict travelling laws, all diseases spread.

the spanish dealt with a population whose only form of diseases were endemic. they were not accustomed to old world diseases which were epidemic and pandemic.

They lost many people and aren't the same as they were now. Nowadays indigenous Mexicans make up about 1/4 of the population, based on self-identification and the inclusions of not completely indigenous people (such as cholos who are 1/4 spanish), if you didn't consider that method as legitimate then the census for the population in indigenous houses makes them make 9.36% of the population

despite this, they are still around. they aren't gone.

They were relatively near the zones of conflict, I intend distant populations as in those on the eastern coasts of South America, and their physical superiority isn't really that important when they were technologically bested and nowadays they're actually known for being shorter rather than imposing as spanish accounts say
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the european diet changed them, as with all indigenous peoples today.

although not spanish, in his 1500 letter, pero vaz de caminha describes the indigenous people as well-cared for and very clean, noting their fat (robust) and beautiful appearance. he further highlights their physical health by stating they are sturdier and sleeker than the portuguese.

technologically bested implies the yaqui were defeated by the spanish, which isn't true as they were never conquered by the spanish and defeated the spanish on multiple occasions during the initial expeditions of northern mexico, but i see that you are referring to the indigenous populations in general, even if some of them did defeat the spanish, as with the chichimeca and the various tribes up north, and with the mapuche and tribes down south.

 

[Rizgar Gulan]

They spread less among people with herd immunity.

Yes I got that noob, what I'm saying is that it wasn't deliberate even if worldatwawa is saying it was because of spaniards knowing about them, they couldn't have managed to stop eventual contact, it's a bummer that it targeted aztecs more due to being a virgin-soil epidemic and all that but it was that. The disease would have arrived sooner or later, I have acknowledged that they weren't prepared for it..... But there are theories that the disease started in the New World

Francisco Hernández de Toledo, a Spanish physician, insisted on using the Nahuatl word when describing the disease to correspondents in the Old World. In 1970, a historian named Germaine Somolinos d'Ardois looked systematically at the proposed explanations, including hemorrhagic influenza, leptospirosis, malaria, typhus, typhoid, and yellow fever. According to Somolinos d'Ardois, none of these quite matched the 16th-century accounts of cocoliztli, leading him to conclude the disease was a result of a "viral process of hemorrhagic influence." In other words, Somolinos d'Ardois believed cocoliztli was not the result of any known Old World pathogen but possibly a virus of New World origins

The problem with discussing the aztec epidemics is that it's not certain what was behind it due to no modern illness perfectly matching the diseases described by historians, but a recent study has suggested a subset of Salmonella that causes paratyphoid fever to be the virus, due to it being found in 10 out of 29 ancient skeletons in an Oaxacan cemetery, and that is not solid evidence because the symptoms still don't match well
Ancient DNA reveals possible cause of epidemic in early colonial-era Mexico (https://cordis.europa.eu/article/id/122799-ancient-dna-reveals-possible-cause-of-epidemic-in-early-colonialera-mexico)
Cocoliztli epidemics - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics#cite_ref-Somolinos_1970_25-3)
Cocoliztli epidemics - Wikipedia (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cocoliztli_epidemics#Causes)

 

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[shekel]

 

[GarryNealson_2]

>this entire thread after it got derailed

 

[worldatwar]

holes

 

[Sloppyjakky`]

>this entire thread after it got derailed
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what is this noobtoe

 

[FartmingerFuckwadCheesest]

>this entire thread after it got derailed
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[Rizgar Gulan]

despite this, they are still around. they aren't gone.

I said they rotted and died in the past tense and didn't say they were extinct today, and they often live on conditions of poverty so their current situation isn't exactly good even if they managed to survive colonization better than their northern neighbours, don't forget that they weren't genocided and instead intermixed with the spaniards which led to the birth of a race of impulsive and violent goblins

the european diet changed them, as with all indigenous peoples today.

I don't really buy this, the diet of Aztecs mainly consisted of ingredients modern Mexicans still consume a lot today, and to a degree their cannibalistic behaviours helped, something the spaniards didn't practice and instead opted to stop. Constant sacrifices to keep the sun moving aren't exactly a sign of evolved civilized people, even if they had their achievements in relation to the spaniards

technologically bested implies the yaqui were defeated by the spanish, which isn't true as they were never conquered by the spanish and defeated the spanish on multiple occasions during the initial expeditions of northern mexico, but i see that you are referring to the indigenous populations in general, even if some of them did defeat the spanish, as with the chichimeca and the various tribes up north, and with the mapuche and tribes down south.

Keyword, some of them. The general situation and the biggest empire fell to them, and those that didn't fall to the spaniards eventually fell to the subsequent countries of the continent post-independence. If they were civilized, they wouldn't have fallen to the position of beggars and rebels under occupation, but they did, so their entire struggle was pointless.